Episode 25
The 2nd Amendment Protects the 13th Amendment (ft. Primary Arms)
John and Kaylee sit down at SHOT Show with Ken Ross of Primary Arms for a conversation that starts with optics and ends up somewhere bigger. Ken walks through his path into the industry: born in Michigan, he started as an instructor about ten or eleven years ago, realized he didn't know what he was doing, took classes from a number of talented people, then worked for Athlon Outdoors magazine and Century Arms before Primary Arms made him an offer he couldn't refuse. He lays out the company's five business units, optics, the .com site, the government division, Expo Arms parts, and wholesale, and tells the story of founder Marshall Lerner starting the company out of his barbershop after being challenged on a forum to build affordable optics.
The middle of the episode is a product tour from the show floor. Ken covers the new releases: the flagship 1 to 8 compact, a 1 to 10 with the bright Nova reticle, two push-button red dots with user-configurable reticles (one with a solar backup), the GLX microprism, and the RS15, the first pistol optic with the Vulcan reticle and its 250 MOA circle that guides a shooter back to center when the dot drifts off target. He also explains why every single box gets opened and inspected before it ships, even though it costs the company time, and he addresses the sourcing question directly, including the new Houston building where Primary Arms plans to produce US-made optics.
From there the talk widens into the title idea. Ken says if you can take away the Second Amendment, the 13th is in danger. The hosts and Ken dig into hunter education leaving schools, youth shooting sports being cut, parents stepping back from school boards, and a culture that has drifted away from hunting as a normal part of life. They close on the firearms community itself: a small, tight-knit world where competing brands co-market, people remember the small details, and SHOT Show is less about guns than about like-minded people who value their families and their friends.
Questions this episode answers
How did Ken Ross get into the firearms industry and end up at Primary Arms?
Ken Ross started as an instructor about ten or eleven years ago, took classes from talented people, then worked for Athlon Outdoors magazine and Century Arms in Florida. Primary Arms later made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
What are the five business units that make up Primary Arms?
Primary Arms runs five business units: optics, the .com retail site, a government division, Expo Arms parts, and wholesale.
How did Primary Arms get started, and what was founder Marshall Lerner challenged to do?
Founder Marshall Lerner started Primary Arms out of his barbershop after being challenged on a forum to build affordable optics.
Which new optics did Primary Arms launch at SHOT Show this year?
Primary Arms showed a flagship 1 to 8 compact, a 1 to 10 with the bright Nova reticle, two push-button red dots with user-configurable reticles (one with a solar backup), the GLX microprism, and the RS15 pistol optic.
What does the Vulcan reticle on the RS15 pistol optic actually do?
The RS15 is the first pistol optic with the Vulcan reticle, whose 250 MOA circle guides a shooter back to center when the dot drifts off target.
Why does Primary Arms open and inspect every single box before it ships?
Primary Arms opens every box, inspects the optics, and stamps them before shipping for quality control, even though Ken Ross acknowledges it costs the company time.
Where are Primary Arms optics made, and what is happening at the new Houston building?
Ken Ross addresses sourcing directly and points to a new Houston building where Primary Arms plans to produce US-made optics.
Why does Ken Ross say the Second Amendment protects the 13th Amendment?
Ken Ross argues that if the Second Amendment can be taken away, the 13th Amendment, which abolished slavery, is in danger, tying an armed citizenry to protection from that kind of subjugation.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Meet Ken Ross of Primary Arms
- 00:19 — Ken's path into the industry
- 01:17 — The five business units
- 02:57 — Expo Arms and wholesale
- 03:58 — Where optics are made and the every-box inspection
- 05:56 — Texas, Houston, and a gun culture company
- 09:00 — Gun people building for gun people
- 10:10 — SHOT Show new product launch
- 14:16 — The RS15 and the Vulcan reticle
- 15:50 — The airport ad and SHOT Show pride
- 19:02 — Hunting stories and America's gun
- 20:49 — Why the 2nd Amendment protects the 13th
- 22:04 — Shipping bans and blaming the industry
- 26:04 — Culture, hunter education, and school boards
- 39:01 — Respect for life and the hunting debate
- 44:42 — A tight-knit community and co-marketing
- 51:06 — Where to find Primary Arms and sign-off
About the guest
Ken Ross works at Primary Arms and was born in Michigan. He started in the firearms industry around ten or eleven years ago as an instructor, then took classes from a number of talented people before working for Athlon Outdoors magazine for a couple of years and later for Century Arms in Florida. He joined Primary Arms after they made him an offer he couldn't refuse and calls it one of the most enjoyable jobs he's had. He previously worked in the automotive industry. [VERIFY title/role at Primary Arms]
Key quotes
"If you support the Second Amendment, then you're on our team." — Ken Ross
"Open every single box, inspect those optics, stamp them before we send them out." — Ken Ross
"If you can take away the number two, 13 is in danger." — Ken Ross
"If we really want to change this in the New Yorks and the Californias and the Washingtons, we need to start raising people from a young age to appreciate how to be a human being again." — Ken Ross
"You shouldn't be blaming the company. You should be voting people out of office who are stopping the company from being able to exist in that sphere." — Kaylee
"The second amendment isn't about hunting, but hunters should be about the second amendment." — Kaylee
"It's about finding like minded people, good people, people who see things the way that you see them." — Ken Ross
Transcript
Welcome to Goa City of the second podcast.
Speaker A:We are here with the man, the myth, the legend himself, Mr. Ken Ross from Primary Arms.
Speaker A:How are you, Ken?
Speaker B:I am doing fantastic.
Speaker B:Thank you for having me.
Speaker A:We appreciate you coming on.
Speaker A:So, Ken, go ahead and give us a little bit of backstory about you Primary Arms.
Speaker A:How you got in this industry.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Well, I was born in Michigan.
Speaker B:I started in the firearms industry around 10, 11 years ago.
Speaker B:Started out as an instructor, realized that I didn't know what I was doing and decided to dive into training and take a number of classes from a number of very talented individuals.
Speaker B:Got to know them very well, and decided this was the industry I needed to be in.
Speaker B:I went to work for Athlon Outdoors magazine for a couple of years, where I got to dive into the product really well.
Speaker B:Then I went to Florida to work for Century Arms, and Primary Arms made me an offer that I couldn't refuse.
Speaker B:So I came over to work with that team, and I've been there ever since, and it is one of the most enjoyable jobs that I've had.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So Primary Arms, what do you guys do?
Speaker A:You sell online?
Speaker A:You've got optics.
Speaker A:It's a whole bunch of businesses.
Speaker B:There are a bunch of businesses there.
Speaker B:We've got five different business units.
Speaker B:We've got our optics, which is where the company started.
Speaker B:Marshall Lerner started the company out of his barbershop.
Speaker B:He was challenged to come up with affordable optics on a forum, a forum that he's very active on right now to this day.
Speaker B:I can't get him out of it.
Speaker B:He was challenged to come up with affordable optics, and he did that.
Speaker B:And the company was started from there somewhere around 13 to 15 years ago.
Speaker B:There's arguments in the office about how long ago that was.
Speaker B:From there, we branched into our dot com business.
Speaker B:Dot com business is everything surrounding the fire lifestyle.
Speaker B:We're getting deeper into outdoors and survival.
Speaker B:So anything you can think of surrounding the firearms lifestyle you can find on our.com site.
Speaker B:Our government division services military and first responders.
Speaker B:That includes law enforcement, ambulance, paramedics, whatever it may be.
Speaker B:You sign up for us, we've got a first responder.
Speaker B:We've got discounts for law enforcement.
Speaker B:It's a very robust program.
Speaker B:There are several programs that are up against it as well, and you really need to check it out if you're in that area that we're really growing there.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:As much as people talk about law enforcement shut down the police and things, we've seen what happens when that happens.
Speaker B:So let's support those parts of our government and those parts of our police officers.
Speaker B:And we do that with Primary Arms.
Speaker B:Government.
Speaker B:And then we have our.
Speaker B:Let's see, I'm missing something.
Speaker B:Let's see.
Speaker B:Expo Arms.
Speaker B:Yes, Expo Arms is our parts company.
Speaker B:AR Parts, everything you could possibly want to build out an ar.
Speaker B:And then we have government, Expo Arms.
Speaker B:Wholesale.
Speaker B:We do wholesale business as well.
Speaker B:We haven't really focused on it, but it is doing very well.
Speaker B:Even when we're not paying attention to it, it's growing.
Speaker B:So we continue to grow.
Speaker B:Primary Arms is expanding and I'm really happy to be a part of it.
Speaker A:And we're happy that you are a part of it.
Speaker A:You know, Primary Arms has become a name synonymous with great optics and things like that.
Speaker A:Being in the optics game, there's a lot of hate and things where it comes to optics and where they're made and things like that.
Speaker A:You guys came out, come out with optics at affordable price.
Speaker A:When it comes to coming out with new optics, what goes into that?
Speaker A:Because this is a totally different game.
Speaker A:We haven't talked about this yet.
Speaker B:Well, our optics are engineered here in the United States and then we source them from several places.
Speaker B:And yes, some of them are sourced from China.
Speaker B:That's no secret.
Speaker B:It's all over the Internet.
Speaker B:Philippines.
Speaker B:But we're also working on a US Made optic.
Speaker B:We opened a new building in Houston and we are planning to produce our own optics there that are US made.
Speaker B:Yes, there are, there are those feelings about imports.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:I worked in the automotive industry for years.
Speaker B:Your Ford truck that you drive has more Mexican parts in it than you would believe.
Speaker B:And we don't make things here in the United States.
Speaker B:We don't really produce things anymore here in the United States.
Speaker B:So we get them from all over the world.
Speaker B:It's called a global economy.
Speaker B:You can say that you don't want anything from overseas, but you're going to be a very lonely person sitting out in a field eating cows that you raise on your own and chickens that you strangle out in your backyard.
Speaker B:So we are very proud of our product.
Speaker B:We develop it here, we have it shipped in or.
Speaker B:Yeah, our engineering is done here and our inspection is done here.
Speaker B:One of the things that a lot of people don't know about our product is every single box is opened.
Speaker B:Every single box.
Speaker B:We don't pick a number and say, okay, we're going to do every 150th box or something.
Speaker B:Open every single box, inspect those optics, stamp them before we send them out.
Speaker B:To our customers and it cost us a delay.
Speaker B:We actually could get it and ship it out and fill orders right away.
Speaker B:But that's not how we do things.
Speaker A:I apologize for doing that.
Speaker A:That shows that you really care about your customers and the end users of your product.
Speaker A:And by doing that and taking that extra step, you really show that the quality control at primary arms is some of the top in the nation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we feel that way also.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker C:So Texas has been kind of all over the news and in a good way when it comes to firearms.
Speaker C:And you guys have gotten constitutional carry very recently.
Speaker C:You are continuing to push for freedom.
Speaker C:We were very pleased to have Texas join us in our pistol brace case.
Speaker C:When you guys decide to place a facility and you are going to manufacture something in Houston, which a lot of people would say is more of the blue territory in Texas, what kind of goes into picking locations in a state that is trending more positive for gun rights?
Speaker B:We are, we are a gun, we are a gun culture at primary arms.
Speaker B:That is who we are.
Speaker B:It's really funny when you walk into the office, I can walk in the office and there are guns at the counter being checked in that are personal guns.
Speaker B:And we check it in because we have so many products going in and out of the building.
Speaker B:They have to know what belongs to the building and what belongs to individuals.
Speaker B:They are flagged and brought into the building.
Speaker B:And I will be honest, I probably see seven or eight personal guns coming into the building when I'm walking into the building in the morning.
Speaker B:We have the ability to conceal carry in the office and those personal guns are usually sitting on desk as you walk through.
Speaker B:So it' swe are a gun culture.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:We are gun people at primary arms.
Speaker B:We hunt, we are outdoors people.
Speaker B:I'm on the range every Sunday.
Speaker B:We take our, we spend our time.
Speaker B:This is what we do.
Speaker B:So I don't know what the rest of the city is doing, but I know we are primary arms and we are gun people.
Speaker C:That's awesome.
Speaker C:And I think that's important to not run away from areas.
Speaker C:Whether it is Houston, which is traditionally a little more anti gun than other places in Texas, or whether it is states where your rights are being infringed on.
Speaker C:You know, being a part of the community, regardless of its political orientation means that you're spreading freedom in that community to whatever degree that you as an individual or company can.
Speaker B:Well, we also.
Speaker B:I don't care about and primary arms doesn't care about red or blue.
Speaker B:You Know, if you support the Second Amendment, then you're on our team.
Speaker B:That's what it's about.
Speaker B:It's not a political game for us.
Speaker B:There's only one rule that we follow.
Speaker B:We're Second Amendment.
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:That's how we feel too, as a political nonprofit.
Speaker C:We're bipartisan, and people get very upset if we endorse someone that they feel like isn't on our team, despite what their voting record might be.
Speaker A:Well, and we've talked about this before, not always.
Speaker A:The letter next to the name shows what their true, you know, support of the second amendment is.
Speaker A:And, you know, being gun people is a big thing.
Speaker A:You know, we hear a lot of talk of, of organizations and companies not being gun people, but putting out a product.
Speaker A:Being gun people is.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And coming up with products for gun people is what we need.
Speaker A:We need gun people supporting gun people.
Speaker A:And that just sounds really weird, but that's what we need.
Speaker A:We need that kind of people who have experienced an optic fail or experienced a magazine fail or that, you know, that really shows that when you go to develop a product, you know what needs to be changed or what to do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're right.
Speaker B:If you're shooting, if you're out on the range, if you're experiencing malfunctions, if you're living that lifestyle, you truly understand what needs to go into a product, which is what our guys do.
Speaker A:We are here at Shot show this week.
Speaker A:This episode's going to air a little later, but we are here at Shot show and you have launched new products this week.
Speaker A:Go ahead and touch on your new product launch.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Well, we're here as primary arms, optics, and we released a number of new products.
Speaker B:Our flagship 1 to 8, you may know it as a 1 to 8 compact.
Speaker B:It's very popular.
Speaker B:It's one of our.
Speaker B:It's our top of the line product.
Speaker B:About $1,500 somewhere around there.
Speaker B:Japanese glass, great housing.
Speaker B:And everyone's.
Speaker B:They looked at our one to six that had the Nova reticle in it, which is basically a red dot type optic.
Speaker B:You know, it's with fiber wire.
Speaker B:You look through it and you go, wow.
Speaker B:They always say, why don't.
Speaker B:Or why are you.
Speaker B:LPVO is very bright.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:You need to turn it down.
Speaker B:That's how bright this one is, the one to six.
Speaker B:So everybody's like, well, why don't you put that reticle in the compact?
Speaker B:I said, sure.
Speaker B:So we did it.
Speaker B:Our engineers got together.
Speaker B:We've got a second focal plane Optic.
Speaker B:It is super high quality.
Speaker B:It's one of the shortest and lightest in the business.
Speaker B:And we like to say that we are, we are giving you quality at a reasonable price.
Speaker B:We're coming in 200 to $300 cheaper than the next competitive optic.
Speaker B:Then we launched, we said, oh, since we're dropping novas into things, let's drop one into a 1 to 10.
Speaker B:Everybody's clamoring for 1 to 10.
Speaker B:So we released a 1 to 10 and dropped the nova into that.
Speaker B:So that's another optic we released.
Speaker B:We go over to red dots.
Speaker B:We've got two red dots that we dropped.
Speaker B:They are.
Speaker B:It's just another.
Speaker B:Yeah, we've got two push button red dots coming out, user configurable reticles in it.
Speaker B:So you can turn on the dot, you can turn it off, you can get the horseshoe, you can get the ranging ladder in it.
Speaker B:One in red, one in green, all up to you.
Speaker B:One is solar.
Speaker B:So if you want a solar backup, you can pick that one up as well.
Speaker B:If there's no sun, it's got a battery backup.
Speaker B:So you won't lose power, you won't lose that picture site picture.
Speaker B:And then we released our GLX microprism.
Speaker B:The microprism line has done very well for us in the SLX line.
Speaker B:It's one of our top sellers.
Speaker B:It is a compact micro dot and it has eight different mounting options that come with it in the box.
Speaker B:So you're getting a value there.
Speaker B:You don't have to buy a optic and then go find a mounting option for it.
Speaker B:It comes with eight different ones.
Speaker B:You can Dr.
Speaker B:It down to 8k height and you can raise it up as high as you want to in there.
Speaker B:So we decided we'd release a GLX version of that, which is, if you know our brands, there's a plx, a GLX and a SLX PLX being the highest, GLX being the next level.
Speaker B:GLX microprism is.
Speaker B:How could we improve it?
Speaker B:We decided to get rid of the illumination knob and make it push button.
Speaker B:We move the battery compartment up to the top so you don't have anything interfering with your peripheral vision.
Speaker B:As you look around the optic, you can see all the way to your left, all the way to your right because there's no knob sitting there.
Speaker B:It's a slightly bigger optic and one of the features of this is it gives you almost unlimited eye relief on this thing.
Speaker B:I could literally set it on a table, walk five yards back and still see the reticle on this thing.
Speaker B:So it's almost red dot.
Speaker B:And if you have an astigmatism, our microprism line, our 1x microprism line and our 3x microprism and our 5x microprism are.
Speaker B:You don't see a plume like you do with a red dot.
Speaker B:Sometimes you see a streak or a plume with a prism.
Speaker B:It's a very crisp reticle.
Speaker B:So that's what we drop new.
Speaker B:And last year we introduced our Rs15 and we didn't come out with it until this year.
Speaker B:And don't ask me why that happened.
Speaker B:It's a long story.
Speaker B:But we came out with it this year and it's the first pistol optic with our Vulcan reticle in it.
Speaker B:For those who are not familiar with our Vulcan reticle, it is a 250moa circle and either a chevron or a dot in the middle.
Speaker B:A 250moa circle will be out of the field of view if you're looking through the optic in a normal way.
Speaker B:If you're on target, you won't see the circle.
Speaker B:But what it does is if you're off target in any way, you'll start to see the edges of the circle and it'll guide you back into the middle.
Speaker B:A lot of people are going, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:If you're a rookie and you never shot a red dot, maybe that'll help you get used to shooting red dots.
Speaker B:Sure, that's what it'll do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Everybody's a pro on the range.
Speaker B:On a sunny day when God is smiling upon you and the deer are walking across the field is a pro red dot shooter.
Speaker B:But when you bump into a wall or you're dragging your child along trying to be safe and get them to safety, or the dog trips you as you're walking through the doorway and you're trying to defend yourself, I guarantee you, you don't have your dot where you want it.
Speaker B:And that 250 moa sacral brings you back into the center quickly.
Speaker B:So that's one of our products that we're very proud of.
Speaker B:You can only get it from primary arms.
Speaker A:It is a great optic.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:It's very awesome that you guys are doing that.
Speaker A:One of my favorite videos from shot show so far, and I hope this makes you laugh a little bit, is you at the airport going and picking up your luggage and spinning around and showing that beautiful primary arm optics ad at the airport.
Speaker A:What sense of pride does that bring you to be walking in such a big airport?
Speaker A:As Vegas to see your advertisement right there.
Speaker B:We've done that for three years now.
Speaker B:And it is knowing that everybody that comes to the show and you know, there are millions of other people that pass through that airport as well, but they're not gun guys.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:They'll go, what is that?
Speaker B:I don't really get it.
Speaker B:But knowing that every single person that comes to that show and goes and picks up their luggage, sees our ad, makes me smile in a big way.
Speaker B:And our staff, I take those pictures.
Speaker B:I do that video, I send it back to the staff, the designers who designed it.
Speaker B:Static Marshall Brent comes into the airport.
Speaker B:Ozge, who is the vp, comes into the airport and they take these photos and we hashtag and say everybody share it.
Speaker B:I think I've had 30 people tag me in it that have seen it.
Speaker B:I am overwhelmed that I am in a company that supports that.
Speaker B:And I am very happy that the Las Vegas airport lets us do it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's most airports and I've been all over this country, will not let you advertise anything.
Speaker A:Firearms and Las Vegas, even though the Strip itself is not very pro2a in the hotels.
Speaker A:We've.
Speaker A:We've learned that this week a little bit from some, some folks who've had some experience.
Speaker A:But to have an airport like that advertise and show gun related stuff is.
Speaker A:Is very cool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, we're doing it as an optics company.
Speaker B:So there are some trick.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If real close attention that very rarely shows much firearm to it, which was one of their rules.
Speaker B:And you know, I'm a creative person.
Speaker B:We figure out ways around this.
Speaker C:That's awesome.
Speaker C:So anytime that you are developing a new product, especially one, like you said, if something and you're in a situation where you have to defend yourself, you know, these are mission critical items.
Speaker C:What would be like the greatest or do you hear any stories of people who are like, you know, thanks to your optic and being able to train and be able to do these things?
Speaker C:I was able to defend myself.
Speaker C:Like, what is the response back from people who use these in those critical situations?
Speaker B:From time to time we do hear those things.
Speaker B:It is a sense of pride from the company knowing that we are protecting lives of people.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker B:We're very happy to hear that.
Speaker B:And the people who are doing it obviously are very happy to be here to tell those stories.
Speaker B:So yeah, we do take a sense of pride in that.
Speaker B:Like I said, we're very proud of what we do.
Speaker B:I am not ashamed of my job.
Speaker B:If somebody asked Me, what I do, I work at primary arms.
Speaker B:And it's implied in the name that it's like, oh, what is that?
Speaker A:So Kaylee brought up the defensive side.
Speaker A:What about the hunting side?
Speaker A:How many stories have you gotten from that side and that pride and joy on that?
Speaker B:Well, we are.
Speaker B:There's a lot of hogs that have dropped from our optics.
Speaker B:Being in Texas, that's a glorious thing.
Speaker B:Our hunting line, we released that maybe two and a half, three years ago.
Speaker B:We are working, continuing to work on expanding that line.
Speaker B:But right now our optics are used in the.
Speaker B:I would say from Tennessee down.
Speaker B:A lot of people don't understand that people hunt with LPVOs and with AR15s.
Speaker B:Everybody goes, yeah, sure, that's just a story.
Speaker B:You guys talk about AR15s being used as a hunting rifle, but I guarantee you, if you start looking at that Mason Dixon line and you drop down, AR15s are being used as hunting rifles in various calibers.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:It is America's gun.
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:I use it for predator hunting on our farm.
Speaker C:Coyotes are.
Speaker C:Are a very difficult thing to deal with when you have livestock to protect.
Speaker A:My once Ohio changed the law.
Speaker A:When I lived in Ohio, my first rifle for hunting was a.350 legend AR15 that I built with facts and parts and primary arms, optics on top of it, and went out and tried to go get a deer.
Speaker B:Yeah, God bless America.
Speaker A:God bless America is right.
Speaker A:So when people think gun people, there's a stereotype, and you clearly do not fit that stereotype.
Speaker A:I'm tall and tall, but I know it sometimes can be a touchy subject to touch on.
Speaker A:But you've broken the mold and you're in this industry and there's a lot of other people of such diverse background.
Speaker A:Backgrounds in this industry.
Speaker A:What do you have to say to the people who stereotype this industry?
Speaker B:Well, it's funny.
Speaker B:I was thinking about this on my way over here.
Speaker B:Two protects the 13th.
Speaker B:For me, if you are someone who truly believes in our Constitution, there are certain amendments that are there that I hold very dearly being who I am.
Speaker B:If you can take away number two, there's the first one, and then there's number two.
Speaker B:If you can take away the number two, 13 is in danger.
Speaker B:I got a real problem with that.
Speaker B:I hold that near and dear to my heart, and a lot of my family members do also.
Speaker B:So that is where I come from on that.
Speaker B:You start taking away amendments and rights in that Constitution, you start stepping on.
Speaker B:You start stepping on things that I'm not willing to give up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we've seen recently these big attacks on our rights.
Speaker A:I mean, as primary arms.
Speaker A:We'll focus on that side of the business.
Speaker A:How much of your business was affected with the pistol brace ban?
Speaker B:Quite a bit of it, actually.
Speaker B:Pistol braces were.
Speaker B:We had to do some changing in how we did things and regulations across the country, changing our adjustments.
Speaker B:I mean, our compliance department is very important to us right now because before we can even ship something out, we need to pay attention to where it's going and what type of laws we might be breaking as we enter other states.
Speaker B:That's the biggest problem we're having right now and our industry is facing right now, is states changing laws and doing it so quickly and rapidly that we need to adjust and change the way that we ship or the way that we service our customers.
Speaker B:One of the things that we're criticized for from time to time, and everyone in this industry is criticized, not just our company, but when you have a state change their rules, and I'm not allowed as a company to ship product into that state, we immediately get emails and that.
Speaker B:We're not Second Amendment supporters and we're not this and that.
Speaker B:I completely disagree with that.
Speaker B:We are Second Amendment.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And if we stop ship, if we start just dropping in, helicoptering in products that shouldn't be in a certain state, we won't be here to continue to service anyone.
Speaker C:I think that's so important for everyone to realize.
Speaker C:And part of the reason why this podcast exists is I think the industry can be blamed often for the sins of state and federal governments.
Speaker C:We've mentioned where people see a gun that's over in Europe and they're like, when are you bringing this here?
Speaker C:Why isn't this here right now?
Speaker C:That instant gratification.
Speaker C:And the companies are like, we can't bring it here.
Speaker C:It's not possible.
Speaker C:And the same thing goes with what's happening with states not allowing certain items to be shipped.
Speaker C:And it's not.
Speaker C:You shouldn't be blaming the company.
Speaker C:You should be voting people out of office who are stopping the company from being able to exist in that sphere.
Speaker B:And I can't say that.
Speaker B:So thank you.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, it wasn't too long ago, and this is when I was working in ammo.
Speaker A:We could ship directly to the doors in New York and then New York overnight.
Speaker A:Said, you can't ship to the Buffalo.
Speaker A:You can't ship to the five bureaus.
Speaker A:You can't ship to this place.
Speaker A:You can't ship to that place.
Speaker A:You gotta ship to an ffl, then you didn't have to ship it to an ffl.
Speaker A:Then they changed their mind again.
Speaker A:Again, these regulations by these states are so ridiculous that they're hampering the business and is attacking.
Speaker A:Like I've said previously, it's the attack at the dinner table.
Speaker A:By taking away one state, you might say, well, there goes a segment of my customers and I could try to make it up somewhere else.
Speaker A:Sometimes you can't make it up somewhere else.
Speaker A:Even though we have 30 million new gun owners, it can be hard to bring them in as a business.
Speaker A:Between ad spends and ad dollars and SEO and all that stuff, they're really attacking you.
Speaker A:And as a company, you can't change that unless you support organizations like ourselves that go after those states and fight.
Speaker A:And that's very important that we join together as an industry and an organization to fight these unconstitutional laws.
Speaker B:Well, part of that, and this isn't from a company standpoint, this is just my viewpoint for my bosses who might hear this.
Speaker B:Part of why they're able to do that is because we've changed the culture of the United States.
Speaker B:It's slowly starting to change.
Speaker B:I remember, and I'm a little older, but when I was in high school, we would go to school and we would have.
Speaker B:During hunting season in Michigan, where I grew up, the rifles would be in the cars, they would be in the windows, locked in their back of their windows, in their pickup trucks and things.
Speaker B:And we were granted days off.
Speaker B:You didn't get absences for going hunting.
Speaker B:It was okay to own a gun and it was okay to hunt.
Speaker B:And it was accepted.
Speaker B:It was just what you did as a man and as a family.
Speaker B:You brought home a deer or a rabbit or a bird and you provided for your family.
Speaker B:And it wasn't a violent thing.
Speaker B:It was just providing food and sustenance for your family.
Speaker B:It was expected.
Speaker B:That's what men do, that's what hunters do.
Speaker B:And now we're to the point in our society where you get your food from the grocery store and hunting is violent and unnatural.
Speaker B:And in fact, being a man is violent and unnatural.
Speaker B:You don't open the car door for women anymore.
Speaker B:You don't take your hat off when you walk into a building.
Speaker B:Gentlemen are not there anymore knowing how to be a gentleman.
Speaker B:We're beating that out of our community and out of our lives.
Speaker B:Those are the things we need to bring back.
Speaker B:And if we want guns back where they need to be, if we want hunting back, it needs to start younger.
Speaker B:We're Fighting it from the wrong place.
Speaker B:We need to do hunter education was in schools when I was young.
Speaker B:There was the things that you had to do.
Speaker B:You got your fishing license, you went to hunter education in class and you got your driver's license.
Speaker B:All three things are in danger now.
Speaker B:People don't even drive anymore.
Speaker B:There's no room for anything like that in our education system.
Speaker B:Art, music, anything that really makes a well rounded person is being beat out of our school system.
Speaker B:So if we really want to change this in the New Yorks and the Californias and the Washingtons, we need to start raising people from a young age to appreciate how to be a human being again, how to survive, how to be a man, how to be a woman, how to be a person in this society again and stop letting be dictated by television and game show and reality tv.
Speaker C:No, absolutely I couldn't agree with you more and more to this point.
Speaker C:That's a fight that GOA has fought diligently with keeping hunter education in schools.
Speaker C: This administration in: Speaker C:The hunting community has always been a vital aspect of the second amendment.
Speaker C:Now before everyone runs to the comment section, no, the second amendment isn't about hunting, but hunters should be about the second amendment and we should celebrate hunting in the United States because we have to have an on ramp for people.
Speaker C:Whether that is personal safety, whether that is shooting for fun or whether that's hunting.
Speaker C:Everyone's a novice and doesn't know anything until they start.
Speaker C:And you have to have a place for them to start that process.
Speaker B:Yes, ma'.
Speaker B:Am.
Speaker A:Well, I'm going to pose this question to the both of you and Ken, go ahead and take it first.
Speaker A:How do we get the youth back into the shooting sports?
Speaker A:How do we bring that back?
Speaker A:And I know there's, we talked about hunter education in school, but how do we bring them back?
Speaker A:And I'll add to this point, just like you, my father, and I'm sorry I'm making you sound old.
Speaker A:My father, same thing, used to ride the bus with his.22 rifle to go to school.
Speaker A:And this is Buffalo, New York.
Speaker A:Mayaju go to school to put his rifle in his locker to then take that said rifle out and go to the shooting team and do shooting practice after school.
Speaker A:And we've taken the shooting sports out of school.
Speaker A:I mean there are schools removing archery programs from them.
Speaker A:How do we get the youth back into it?
Speaker A:And the answer, unfortunately, I know we are seeing a wave of younger kids getting into the second amendment through video games.
Speaker A:But the answer cannot be video games.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker B:The answer cannot be video games.
Speaker B:The portrayal of firearms in video games.
Speaker B:I can understand why someone might want to get rid of guns after looking at the way that firearms are portrayed in video games.
Speaker B:It's entertainment, I get it.
Speaker B:But a five year old doesn't understand it.
Speaker B:So I can see where that comes from.
Speaker B:But getting it back into school systems comes from parents.
Speaker B:That's one of the things that has started all of this.
Speaker B:We became two parent working homes and we let TV raise our children and we stopped going to school to check up on our kids and we started letting the school systems raise our children and we started letting the school system dictate what our children learned.
Speaker B:I remember very clearly my parents being at the school when anything happened.
Speaker B:When we had parent teacher conferences, Both of my parents were sitting there.
Speaker B:Even after divorce, both of my parents were sitting there and they made sure that the board of education had the members on it that they wanted on there.
Speaker B:So we need to make sure that those boards of education reflect our beliefs.
Speaker B:And those small elections mean a lot.
Speaker B:And we've just started to ignore them.
Speaker B:We've let these, the public schools become whatever one or two people dictate that they should be.
Speaker B:So it starts with the parents taking ownership of that and building school systems that reflect their beliefs.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And I couldn't agree with that more.
Speaker A:To add on to your point, I think that school systems have really changed since standardized testing.
Speaker A:We're teaching a curriculum, and I would say even as far back as no Child Left Behind, I understand why that came into effect.
Speaker A:But at the same time, we are teaching our children how to take tests.
Speaker A:Some of the things that I wish I learned when I was in school would be how to do my taxes and how to balance a checkbook and how to make sure bank accounts and how to do this.
Speaker A:And all I learned was what the powerhouse of a cell was.
Speaker A:And I bet you everybody who's watching this is giggling because they all know that the mitochondriac is the powerhouse of the cell.
Speaker A:But it's funny, we're taking, like you said, we're taking out the arts and we're taking out music and we're taking out home ec, you know, and I don't want to say take this away, but you know, we've added in the STEM programs, which I really do applaud because I did take the STEM programs in high school and I learned a lot I learned how to use CAD and things like that.
Speaker A:And I think that's why I'm in this industry, because I like doing cool things like that.
Speaker A:But I feel like by teaching the kids just to take a test because we have to pass this standardized test so we get our funding is wrong.
Speaker A:We should be teaching them how to thrive in life.
Speaker A:We should be bringing the trades back.
Speaker A:We've seen this drop in trades.
Speaker A:There's good money to be made in the trades.
Speaker A:There's good money to be made in machinists.
Speaker A:I know companies now are having incredible trouble finding guys just to operate the CNC machines.
Speaker C:Well, I'm going to add to that and this is definitely breaking the mold of our traditional podcast.
Speaker C:But I think this is the unspoken part of this conversation is when you allow the curriculum to be based on a test, when you allow for the school boards and the curriculum to be set by someone that is not the family and does not represent the values, what you find is that they're not being taught to think because thinking is to challenge the system.
Speaker C:Thinking is to go, well, wait, hold on.
Speaker C:You know, we talked about the 13th amendment, the second amendment, the first amendment.
Speaker C:These are natural rights.
Speaker C:These are God given rights, whatever version of that you want to use.
Speaker C:So why would I accept these infringements?
Speaker C:And if you start asking the question of why, well, that is a threat to the entire power structure that they have established.
Speaker C:And I think that goes to your point of how do we get people into the Second Amendment community younger?
Speaker C:How do we get people educated and involved is you have to teach them and educate them on how to think and think critically.
Speaker A:Well said.
Speaker B:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker A:I got goosebumps.
Speaker B:I'm clapping right now.
Speaker B:I think I'm going to vote for you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Oh, there is nothing to vote for me for.
Speaker C:I promise you we'll come up with something.
Speaker C:If, if I run for office, the world has ended and you should give up now.
Speaker B:Okay, all right.
Speaker B:Zombie apocalypse.
Speaker B:I vote for you as queen of the zombie.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:Here we go.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, but this does break the norm of what we normally talk about on this podcast.
Speaker A:But it's something that we need to talk about because even though it doesn't sound like we're talking about the Second Amendment, education about the Second Amendment has been removed.
Speaker A:Education about our rights, education.
Speaker A:I mean, and I know most of our crowd is in the older audience or in that middle ground of audience.
Speaker B:That's my guys.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But how many people heard ken say the 13th Amendment and were like, well, I know the first three or I know the first two because we don't learn about the amendments.
Speaker A:We don't learn our constitutional rights.
Speaker A:And that's a huge issue that we've got going on.
Speaker A:How many people know about the fourth Amendment?
Speaker A:How many people know.
Speaker A:I hope everybody knows about the 5th because I mean it's said all the time.
Speaker A:But there's so many things out there that we're not educating on anymore.
Speaker A:And I know this is my soapbox stand and I'm taking Kaylee's soapbox away from her, which is a running joke.
Speaker A:But that's the thing.
Speaker A:If we're not educating and we're taking out these programs and things like that, I mean, just a few years ago I teach youth riflery programs on the side and I've done it for almost 10 years now where I go into a camp and teach youth riflery and teach that way of learning gun safety.
Speaker A:The number of camps that just stopped calling saying that we removed our program, that our insurance won't allow it anymore, that our parents were too scared to send their kids here because there was a youth riflery program.
Speaker A:You know, that's right.
Speaker A:There is just taking away.
Speaker A:And there's organizations out there who have historically had a youth rifle a program had to get rid of their program because it was no longer making any money and they were getting rid of it without this support for youth shooting sports and things like that.
Speaker A:And there's always, there's this stigma.
Speaker A:I mean we just saw it.
Speaker A:The gundies was Monday and I'm going to date because it's pre recorded.
Speaker A:The Gundies were Monday and there was a young lady who was nominated for a gundy and was called out for being nominated because she is a young lady shooting.
Speaker A:Why is it such this big stigma around our youth shooting and learning about the shooting sports?
Speaker B:And if we're teaching them at a young age.
Speaker B:Hunting teaches value of life.
Speaker B:It makes you understand what it.
Speaker B:I mean let's just be honest.
Speaker B:When you watch something stop breathing, why did that happen?
Speaker B:Well, it gave us life so that we could feed our family.
Speaker B:And you don't just take that lightly.
Speaker B:You don't just go out and shoot this and you shoot that.
Speaker B:And if we taught that more, if that was at a younger age, we wouldn't have a lot of these tragedies that we have.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean I grew up hunting.
Speaker A:Kaylee, you grew up hunting.
Speaker A:Kim, you grew up hunting.
Speaker A:You get a respect for life.
Speaker A:You get a respect for the animal.
Speaker A:You know that this has given its life to feed you, like you said.
Speaker A:And that's a really big thing that most people think of us as bloodthirsty, crazy people.
Speaker A:And we may be crazy people, but we're not bloodthirsty.
Speaker B:And somebody's killing.
Speaker B:I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker B:When you go to the grocery store and you see a freezer full of chickens, somebody killed them and you're still going home and you're eating them.
Speaker B:So you are able to disconnect from there and say, oh, well, I guarantee you the chickens, the way they were killed before they were put in that freezer is a lot more violent and a lot more inhumane than the way that we kill animals and how that animal was raised.
Speaker C:Like, you know, I have a homestead, so I could get on the soapbox for 500 years.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But, you know, a deer in the wild is a deer, and he has lived his life and.
Speaker C:And has had the opportunity to be full in his dearness.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:For lack of a better term, a chicken in a house full of thousands of chickens with less than a sheet of paper to move around has not been the chicken ness of a chicken.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:It's been a commercialized product.
Speaker C:And so to say that hunting is somehow evil is.
Speaker C:It has always baffled me because, you know, that animal had a really bad couple of seconds.
Speaker C:It didn't have a really bad life.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And when you think about, I mean, even free range chickens that you.
Speaker B:Free range eggs that you buy from the grocery store, that is the biggest myth on the planet.
Speaker B:I refuse to buy free range eggs because basically they put them the size that we're in.
Speaker B:There are hundreds of them there.
Speaker B:And somebody.
Speaker B:That's their range, and somebody walks in and picks the eggs up out of excrement and push chickens around, and that's their free range.
Speaker B:So come on, you can't tell me that's humane in any way.
Speaker A:Listen, everybody likes sausage, but nobody likes to know how the sausage is made.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:I love sausage, and I don't mind knowing how it's made annual.
Speaker A:Anybody who's made their own sausage knows how it's made.
Speaker A:And it tastes better when you make your sauce.
Speaker B:Yes, it does.
Speaker C:And just for everyone listening in the podcast, my chickens are very happy.
Speaker A:Well, she.
Speaker A:Not only are the chickens happy, but your Roman geese.
Speaker C:Roman geese, the goats, the sheep, the whole thing.
Speaker C:They're very happy animals.
Speaker B:You were voted queen of the farm.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker C:You, you.
Speaker C:Now, my husband is gonna be so mad after this podcast because I'm gonna have just this inflated ego he's gonna.
Speaker A:Be like, listen, we joked that we were going to bring you a crown for Shot show.
Speaker A:And it didn't, you know, that we.
Speaker A:I did bring you a soapbox, but I left it in the room for our meet and greet, which is a running joke.
Speaker A:She gets on.
Speaker A:She says she gets on her soapbox all the time.
Speaker A:And it's just a running joke every episode.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But I don't apologize for getting on my soapbox.
Speaker C:Like, I don't be.
Speaker C:I love the second Amendment.
Speaker A:I think we all love it.
Speaker C:It's worth building a soapbox for.
Speaker A:I mean, we're all here because we.
Speaker B:Love the soap build soapboxes.
Speaker C:No, but I could.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm crafty, queen of craft.
Speaker A:See, the funny part is before, before I left for Shot show, I looked up soapboxes to get one for her.
Speaker A:And you know, finding a soapbox is really hard right now.
Speaker A:It's literally a small little box about this big that you put soap in for your shower.
Speaker A:So I ended up finding a wooden ammo crate.
Speaker A:I'm like, here's your soapbox.
Speaker C:I like that bed.
Speaker A:And I sent a picture too.
Speaker A:I was like, we were talking about it the one day I sent a picture to him.
Speaker A:I found your soapbox for Shot Show.
Speaker C:Honestly, it'd be great because my feet rarely touch the floor where.
Speaker C:When we're regularly filming.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:No, but you know, if it wasn't for our love of the second amendment, we wouldn't be here talking.
Speaker A:We wouldn't be in Las Vegas right now at Shot show, walking the show floor.
Speaker A:I mean, the acres of freedom ringing from the gun companies and everybody here is happy to be here.
Speaker A:I don't know where I was going with that, but it's freedom.
Speaker B:I'll say that.
Speaker B:You mentioned coming from a different background, a different culture, going to Shot show, meeting people.
Speaker B:We go back, we met each other a few years ago.
Speaker B:And I like to think that we are tight.
Speaker A:Yes, we are.
Speaker B:And that is what Shot show is.
Speaker B:I don't know your mom, I don't know your family.
Speaker B:I know you.
Speaker B:And I know that I genuinely am happy when I see you.
Speaker B:And that's how I am when I come to Shot Show.
Speaker B:I see people that I am genuinely happy to hang out with.
Speaker B:And yes, we are in the gun industry.
Speaker B:And yes, I carry a gun every day, but that's not what it's about.
Speaker B:It's about finding like minded people, good people, people who see things the way that you see them.
Speaker B:And that doesn't mean that these are Bubbas who are running around shooting everything they can.
Speaker B:No, that means people who value their lives, who value their family, who value their friends.
Speaker B:That's who shot show is.
Speaker B:It's not Bubba's on the back of pickup trucks driving around shooting into the air.
Speaker B:That's not what this is.
Speaker B:I wouldn't be in that world.
Speaker A:No, and I appreciate you saying that and that's very well said.
Speaker A:That's the best part about this industry in this community.
Speaker A:A lot of people, and I've said this before but a lot of people look at the firearms industry from the outside looking in and they talk about how big it is.
Speaker A:It may be big but it's small and we're tight knit.
Speaker A:Kaylee has been making fun of me all week.
Speaker A:I have turned every corner and said to hi to somebody and she goes, you know so many people.
Speaker C:I'm like I have not made fun of you once, not one time.
Speaker A:I want the record to show that that is a lie.
Speaker A:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker A:But it's.
Speaker A:I've been doing a shot show for about three, four years.
Speaker A:I can't remember now.
Speaker A:It's been so long and I've been in this industry for about 10 and most of the beginning of it was on the sales side and then I got on the marketing side and getting the marketing side.
Speaker A:I have made so many friends and even on the sales side I've made so many friends from gun shops to influencers and content creators and other manufacturers and a lot of people go to us.
Speaker A:Unlike most industries, you look at the oil industry, you look at the car industry.
Speaker A:Ford is never going to work with Chevy but Glock is going to work with primary arms or, or SIG is going to work with primary arms or anybody's going to work with somebody else.
Speaker A:We though we sell competing products.
Speaker A:We are here to co market.
Speaker A:We're here to co brand.
Speaker A:You may see a primary arms optic with a Rainier firearm with a RD suppressor and a KCI mag and plug all our sponsors here into this little comment box.
Speaker A:But that's the best part about this industry which makes it unlike any other.
Speaker A:We know that we're being infringed on.
Speaker A:And to beat the algorithm for the Meta and all these other social media platforms we have to co brand and co market and join together with one voice to restore the second amendment to what it was intended for by the founding fathers.
Speaker A:With those 27 words.
Speaker B:Well said.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:I think that's my borrowed somebody's soapbox.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think that was my best said thing of all the podcasts.
Speaker A:But no, and that's the funny part.
Speaker A:Like it's crazy to think that you meet somebody one time and I think I'm a good judge of character.
Speaker A:But you've met somebody one time and you and I hung out for a full week one year.
Speaker A:But I've met, I played basketball the one year at Shot show with Black Rambo and every year since he stopped me and said, how are you?
Speaker A:How you doing?
Speaker A:Good to see you.
Speaker A:Hey, you want to come play again?
Speaker A:And if my wife is watching this, I'm not playing basketball right now.
Speaker A:I'm recording a podcast, so don't make fun of me.
Speaker A:One time you hurt yourself playing basketball, you're not allowed to play ever again.
Speaker A:But that's.
Speaker C:You did fracture.
Speaker A:I fractured my tibia.
Speaker B:That answers the question I was going to do you have game?
Speaker B:Nobody will know.
Speaker A:But even going to the two A shootout which is held at Shot show and playing in that game, it's crazy to think that I played basketball with Black Rambo and Colian Noir and all these guys, but the diversity and the community built there and I am the whitest of white guys and I can jump slightly, it's maybe about 3 inches off the ground, but it counts as a jumper.
Speaker A:But and the comment section has told me I'm not very athletic looking so that's fine with me.
Speaker B:But neither is Luka.
Speaker B:But he's a beast.
Speaker A:He's a beast.
Speaker A:But just the community built from there.
Speaker A:I've run into guys that I played with in that game and we played one game of basketball together at Shot show and they've stopped me today and other shows and go, hey, how are you doing?
Speaker A:I played with Dave, 22, Plinkster at another show and he's every now time now he stops me.
Speaker A:This is how you doing?
Speaker A:Good to see you.
Speaker A:That's what it means to be a community.
Speaker A:Even though we may not know each other.
Speaker A:It's I know you because I did this with you or I saw you at a range day or I know this and talk to you or I spent five minutes talking to Ken at one year and I go, hey Ken, I got this cigar recommendation for you and we're gonna go smoke cigars at the Circle Bar one night.
Speaker A:So that's the cool thing about this community that we also are tight knit and we remember the smallest minute details.
Speaker A:But that makes us friend.
Speaker A:We may not see each other for six, seven months, but when we see each other it's hey, how are you?
Speaker A:How you been?
Speaker A:How's the family?
Speaker A:Let's go grab a cigar.
Speaker A:Let's go hang out.
Speaker A:And it starts all over again.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker C:Thanks for joining us.
Speaker C:It's been a pleasure having you.
Speaker C:Is there anything you would like to plug?
Speaker C:Any social media?
Speaker B:All the things we are on all the social media.
Speaker B:We've got our government division, our optics Division and our.com division are all on social media.
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Speaker B:The optics is an orange logo.
Speaker B:Government is a blue logo.
Speaker B:Find us, follow us and pay attention to what we're doing there.
Speaker B:Social media has become a big outlet for us.
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Speaker B:You can purchase all of our products on primaryarms.com, go there and check us out.
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Speaker B:Our optics come with a lifetime warranty and I do mean lifetime.
Speaker B:I've seen some abused optics that we've gotten back and you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Speaker B:So yeah, we're very again, we are a two way company and I'm really happy that you guys invited me.
Speaker B:I appreciate it.
Speaker B:Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker B:And always, if you need me back, I'm here.
Speaker A:I would love to have you back.
Speaker C:I would love to have you back.
Speaker A:And as always, brother, I appreciate your friendship.
Speaker B:The same, brother.
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Speaker A:And it's funny because Sunday I was here helping somebody out and I saw you from across the room, ran up and it was like, we haven't missed a beat.
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